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07/12/2010 11:00 AM Senate TRANSPORTATION


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11:05:02 AM Overview: Knik Arm Bridge and Toll Authority
12:43:59 PM Adjourn
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by Andrew Niemiec, KABATA Executive Director
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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                 
             SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                         
                          July 12, 2010                                                                                         
                            11:04 a.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Albert Kookesh, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Linda Menard, Vice Chair, via teleconference                                                                            
Senator Kevin Meyer                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
Senator Joe Paskvan                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: KNIK ARM BRIDGE AND TOLL AUTHORITY                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL FOSTER, Chair                                                                                                           
Knik Arm Bridge and Toll Authority                                                                                              
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Delivered an overview of the Knik Arm                                                                    
Bridge and Toll Authority Project.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW NIEMIEC, Executive Director                                                                                              
Knik Arm Bridge and Toll Authority                                                                                              
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered design questions related to the                                                                 
Knik Arm Bridge.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
GOVERNOR BILL SHEFFIELD, Director                                                                                               
Port of Anchorage                                                                                                               
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Provided  perspective  on  the  Knik  Arm                                                             
Bridge.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
AVES THOMSON, Executive Director                                                                                                
Alaska Trucking Association (                                                                                                   
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified  in support  of  the  Knik  Arm                                                             
Bridge.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
LISA MARQUEZ, President                                                                                                         
Alaska Trucking Association                                                                                                     
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified  in support  of  the  Knik  Arm                                                             
Bridge.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE LOWERY, Secretary/Treasurer                                                                                              
Alaska Trucking Association                                                                                                     
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified  in support  of  the  Knik  Arm                                                             
Bridge.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN HEMENWAY, Chief Financial Officer                                                                                         
Knik Arm Bridge and Toll Authority                                                                                              
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided  financial information  related to                                                             
the Knik Arm Bridge.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
FRANK RICHARDS, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                             
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities (DOTPF)                                                                      
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Responded  to questions  and provided  the                                                             
state's perspective of the Knik Arm Bridge.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:04:59 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR ALBERT  KOOKESH called  the Senate  Transportation Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 11:04 a.m. Present at  the call to                                                               
order  were  Senators Meyer  and  Menard  via teleconference  and                                                               
Senator Kookesh.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
            ^OVERVIEW: KNIK ARM BRIDGE AND TOLL AUTHORITY                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOOKESH   announced  the  business  to   come  before  the                                                               
committee is to  get an overview of the Knik  Arm Bridge and Toll                                                               
Authority. We  want to keep this  project in the public  view and                                                               
talk a bit about the financing, he said.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR  MENARD observed  that the  record of  decision for  this                                                               
project  is  rapidly approaching  and  there's  reason for  great                                                               
optimism.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:05:02 AM                                                                                                                 
MICHAEL  FOSTER,  Chair,  Knik  Arm  Bridge  and  Toll  Authority                                                               
(KABATA),  stated  that  the Legislature  created  the  Knik  Arm                                                               
Bridge and Toll Authority to  advance the economic welfare of the                                                               
state and  further the development  of the  public transportation                                                               
system in the  Upper Cook Inlet by constructing a  bridge to span                                                               
Knik  Arm  and connect  the  Municipality  of Anchorage  and  the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna   Borough.  The   final  Environmental   Impact                                                               
Statement  (EIS)  is  complete.  The model  they  used  looks  at                                                               
population  growth; regional  transportation connections  between                                                               
Anchorage, Mat-Su, and the  Interior; safety corridor redundancy;                                                               
access  to regional  airports,  ports,  hospitals; and  emergency                                                               
response.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:09:25 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. FOSTER displayed  a slide depicting a topographic  map of the                                                               
area and  described the  Mat-Su Borough as  the "top  one percent                                                               
fastest  growing county  in the  U.S. -  31st out  of 3,142  this                                                               
decade."  The combined  communities in  the Mat-Su  and Anchorage                                                               
bowl  represent   54  percent  of  the   state's  population.  He                                                               
displayed  a  slide  showing  the  approximate  location  of  the                                                               
crossing and  noted that  population is  a major  deciding factor                                                               
for the crossing.  Current estimates are that the  area will have                                                               
about 170,000  more people  by 2030, a  50 percent  increase. New                                                               
ISER  [Institute  of  Social and  Economic  Research]  data  also                                                               
indicates substantial growth and  doubling in the Mat-Su Borough.                                                               
The regional population in 2009  was about 286,000 while the Mat-                                                               
Su  Borough  population  was  about  88,000.  These  numbers  are                                                               
expected to increase to 361,000 in  the region and 187,000 in the                                                               
Mat-Su Borough.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He  displayed a  slide showing  that the  Knik Arm  Bridge is  an                                                               
important  transportation   link  in  the  region.   It  provides                                                               
connectivity  to: the  potential rail  corridor, South  Big Lake,                                                               
the Point  MacKenzie Road upgrade, the  Port MacKenzie Industrial                                                               
area  and dock  facility, the  Parks Highway,  the Glenn  Highway                                                               
going north to  Glennallen and the Seward Highway  going south to                                                               
Girdwood. He  displayed an  aerial rendering  of the  bridge, the                                                               
abutments, and the proposed alignment and noted that the 8,200                                                                  
foot bridge will join about 18 miles of connector roads on each                                                                 
side.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:12:40 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR MEYER just joined the committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER highlighted the following project benefits:                                                                          
   · Serves all Alaska and has significant potential to meet                                                                    
     future transportation needs.                                                                                               
   · Provides economic stimulus.                                                                                                
        · The  current estimate  to  build  the crossing  is                                                                    
          $687 million.                                                                                                         
        · The new infrastructure  creates about 5,000 direct                                                                    
          construction-related jobs.                                                                                            
        · It creates  about 5,000  indirect support-services                                                                    
          jobs.                                                                                                                 
   · The cost of freight to the Interior is reduced because the                                                                 
     route is shorter.                                                                                                          
        · Over the first 10  years truck-freight savings are                                                                    
          estimated to be $326 million. This includes                                                                           
          labor, fuel, and depreciation of capital.                                                                             
   · Savings to Alaskan drivers is estimated to be $303 million                                                                 
     over the first ten years.                                                                                                  
   · Significant environmental benefit.                                                                                         
        · Estimates  are that  in the  first 10  years after                                                                    
          construction, emissions will be reduced by about                                                                      
          10 million metric tons.                                                                                               
   · Annual travel savings to bridge users based on $3.53 gas is                                                                
     about $90 million. Travel savings are based on:                                                                            
        · Value of time.                                                                                                        
        · Vehicle  operating   costs  avoided   against  net                                                                    
          tolls.                                                                                                                
   · An improved network produces sustainability and livability                                                                 
     benefits.                                                                                                                  
        · Reduced commuter times.                                                                                               
          · Supports population growth closer to Anchorage.                                                                     
        · Access to and proximity  of affordable housing and                                                                    
          good jobs.                                                                                                            
        · Includes pedestrian and bike path.                                                                                    
        · Lower dependency on foreign oil.                                                                                      
        · Provides an  additional corridor out  of Anchorage                                                                    
          going north.                                                                                                          
             · Accommodates emergency situations and                                                                            
               Glenn Highway closures.                                                                                          
   · Improves access to the $240 million, 1,536 bed minimum                                                                     
       security prison at the Goose Creek Correctional Center                                                                   
     that's currently under construction.                                                                                       
        · Savings to staff, vendors, and visitors over the                                                                      
          first 10 years will be about $30 million.                                                                             
        · With the crossing it's 9 miles from Anchorage and                                                                     
               without the crossing it's 72 miles from                                                                          
          Anchorage.                                                                                                            
   · Ties the state's transportation system together benefiting                                                                 
     the entire state.                                                                                                          
   · Connects the Port of Anchorage and Port MacKenzie to better                                                                
     serve the state.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:18:59 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR MENARD welcomed Governor Sheffield                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER said the Port of  Anchorage is about one mile south of                                                               
the  bridge  alignment.  The  port serves  about  85  percent  of                                                               
Alaskans with  about 90  percent of the  freight coming  into the                                                               
state.  The   crossing  will  help   move  freight  north   at  a                                                               
significant  savings  in  wear  and tear  on  the  roads  through                                                               
Anchorage and the Glenn Highway.  The Port of Anchorage generates                                                               
more  than $750  million  in economic  stimulus  annually and  is                                                               
currently being expanded to double  its size. He pointed out that                                                               
the alignment for  the road is on  the back side of  the port and                                                               
shouldn't interfere with port activities.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:23:40 AM                                                                                                                   
Port MacKenzie is about one mile  south of the Knik Arm crossing.                                                               
The port  is currently a bulk  commodities import/export facility                                                               
that  will allow  additional  resource  export opportunities.  It                                                               
currently encompasses  about 9,000 acres of  industrial land. The                                                               
railroad is currently  doing some development at the  port and is                                                               
looking at  an alignment north  to connect to the  Parks Highway.                                                               
The Mat-Su Borough  has also been working on a  ferry and landing                                                               
site.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER related  that in 2008 the  Alaska Railroad Corporation                                                               
(ARRC) transported about 500,000  passengers and 6.1 million tons                                                               
of freight and 651 miles of  track. The main rail yard is located                                                               
just south  of the Knik Arm  crossing. The bridge is  designed to                                                               
be  rail  compatible  and  the   railroad  has  a  planned  route                                                               
extension to  Port MacKenzie and  then north. This  would provide                                                               
the  railroad a  significant  savings in  operations and  freight                                                               
costs. He clarified that the rail component is not part of the                                                                  
initial project.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:25:55 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. FOSTER said the Knik Arm crossing provides the following                                                                    
future/potential benefits to Alaskans:                                                                                          
     · It supports the population growth in Southcentral Alaska.                                                                
        · This area has the potential to be the economic                                                                        
          hub in this area.                                                                                                     
   · It supports major state infrastructure projects.                                                                           
        · Gas line                                                                                                              
        · Bullet line                                                                                                           
        · Resource development, such as export of coal.                                                                         
   · Defers needed upgrades and eliminates some needs amounting                                                                 
     to about $575 million in capital costs that could be used                                                                  
     on other infrastructure needs in the state.                                                                                
        · Increasing the Glenn Highway to 6 lanes between                                                                       
          Eagle River Bridge and the interchange is                                                                             
          estimated to cost about $350 million.                                                                                 
        · The Wasilla by-pass wouldn't be necessary if a                                                                        
          connection is made to the Parks Highway in the                                                                        
          Big Lake area.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:28:12 AM                                                                                                                   
This is a state priority project that has strong support.                                                                       
   · Dittman surveys indicate that current support of the                                                                       
     project statewide is about 56 percent. Regional support is                                                                 
     as follows:                                                                                                                
        · Fairbanks 53 percent.                                                                                                 
        · Anchorage 56 percent.                                                                                                 
        · Mat-Su 70 percent.                                                                                                    
        · Kenai 58 percent.                                                                                                     
        · Rural Alaska 56 percent.                                                                                              
        · Southeast 44 percent.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER made the following points about deliverability and                                                                   
financing alternatives:                                                                                                         
   · The project started as a public-private partnership.                                                                       
        · Currently two firms have expressed an interest                                                                        
          and have gone through the initial screening                                                                           
          process.                                                                                                              
   · Alternative financing is through a state revenue bond.                                                                     
        · The state would provide a revenue bond for                                                                            
          construction and revenue from the project would                                                                       
            be used to retire the bond and for additional                                                                       
          infrastructure.                                                                                                       
   · Federal/state appropriation.                                                                                               
   · This project should not be viewed as competition with any                                                                  
       other state project. State bonding can deliver without                                                                   
     taking away funding for other needed projects.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:31:28 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. FOSTER made the following points about the financial plan                                                                   
development:                                                                                                                    
   · Phase I                                                                                                                    
        · The Point MacKenzie Road to the A/C connector.                                                                        
        · Three-lane bridge with a four-lane foundation.                                                                        
             · The fourth lane would accommodate                                                                                
               pedestrians and bikes in future years.                                                                           
        · Estimated to take four years to construct, plus                                                                       
          or minus a year.                                                                                                      
             · Construction can happen in late 2012.                                                                            
        · There's a cut-and-cover tunnel under Government                                                                       
          Hill to minimize impact to that community.                                                                            
             · Some houses are in the right-of-way                                                                              
               area.                                                                                                            
             · Mitigation was to cut the alignment                                                                              
               through, putting on a lid then burying                                                                           
               it back.                                                                                                         
        · The total estimated cost is $687 million,                                                                             
          validated internally, by a third party, DOT, and                                                                      
          federal highways.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A  graph of  the  base case  traffic forecast  and  assuming the  2015                                                          
opening shows  that use  climbs in  the initial years  and by  2040 it                                                          
starts to  plateau. This  is the  point that capacity  is met  for the                                                          
four lane bridge. Growth beyond  that point would require an expansion                                                          
of some  sort. The  chart clearly shows  a preponderance  of passenger                                                          
vehicle traffic as opposed to commercial vehicles.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:33:58 AM                                                                                                                   
A chart of proposed one way toll rates at opening shows the                                                                     
following:                                                                                                                      
   · Foot traffic no cost.                                                                                                      
   · Passenger vehicle costs $5.                                                                                                
   · 3 axel commercial vehicle costs $10.                                                                                       
   · 4 axel commercial vehicle costs $15.                                                                                       
   · 5 axel commercial vehicle costs $20.                                                                                       
   · 6 axel commercial vehicle costs $25.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 The base case toll revenue is projected to be $12.1 billion over                                                               
 56 years of use. He noted that the ISER numbers are lower, but                                                                 
 still show a doubling of population.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 MR. FOSTER displayed a slide illustrating that the revenue will                                                                
 flow to:                                                                                                                       
  · Project operation and maintenance.                                                                                          
  · Senior debt service.                                                                                                        
  · Senior debt service reserves.                                                                                               
  · TIFIA debt service.                                                                                                         
  · Various other project reserves.                                                                                             
  · Surplus revenues.                                                                                                           
    · These can be used for Title 23 services                                                                                   
       throughout the state and for improvements on                                                                             
       west and east side of Cook Inlet.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:36:44 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. FOSTER made the following points about the public-private                                                                   
partnership (P3) availability payment model:                                                                                    
   · It's competitive and is the lowest annual availability                                                                     
     payment.                                                                                                                   
   · The private partner is responsible for the finance, design,                                                                
     building, operation, and maintenance over the term of the                                                                  
     lease.                                                                                                                     
   · The state retains the toll revenue.                                                                                        
        · It's used to make availability payments.                                                                              
        · The surplus is used for future transportation                                                                         
          projects.                                                                                                             
   · The state retains the legal ownership of the bridge.                                                                       
        · It's run by a concessionaire, similar to an                                                                           
          airport.                                                                                                              
   · There are strict contractual terms of performance.                                                                         
   · There is significant risk transfer sharing with the private                                                                
     partner.                                                                                                                   
   · It has off balance sheet financing.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER assured  the committee that contrary  to some reports,                                                               
P3s are  a very real  alternative to public sector  financing. He                                                               
displayed a chart showing the  financing structure of the Port of                                                               
Miami, a  recent P3 and is  similar in size and  structure to the                                                               
Knik Arm  crossing project.  He noted that  one of  the companies                                                               
that is interested in the Knik Arm project was a P3 participant                                                                 
in the Port of Miami project.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER displayed a visual to illustrate risk sharing.                                                                       
   · The State of Alaska provides some form of credit                                                                           
     enhancement to reduce the cost of capital.                                                                                 
   · KABATA retains toll revenue to:                                                                                            
        · Make availability payments.                                                                                           
        · Deposit surplus to transportation trust fund for:                                                                     
             · Future capacity expansion.                                                                                       
             · Other Title 23 transportation projects                                                                           
               statewide.                                                                                                       
   · P3 SPV responsibilities:                                                                                                   
        · Finance.                                                                                                              
        · Design.                                                                                                               
        · Building.                                                                                                             
        · Operation and Maintenance.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He displayed a graph showing the base case surplus after phase 1                                                                
based on a P3 model. Over 56 years the net revenue to the state                                                                 
is about $5.6 billion.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:39:34 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. FOSTER displayed a visual to illustrate a state-backed                                                                      
public model.                                                                                                                   
   · The State of Alaska provides a form of credit enhancement                                                                  
      to reduce the cost of capital. Overall, the payoff to the                                                                 
     state is greater in this model.                                                                                            
   · KABATA retains toll revenue to:                                                                                            
        · Pay for project operations and maintenance.                                                                           
        · Repay project financing.                                                                                              
        · Deposit surplus to transportation trust fund for:                                                                     
             · Future capacity expansion.                                                                                       
             · Other Title 23 transportation                                                                                    
               projects statewide.                                                                                              
   · KABATA is responsible for:                                                                                                 
        · Finance.                                                                                                              
        · Design.                                                                                                               
        · Building.                                                                                                             
        · Operation and Maintenance.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He displayed a chart of the public finance pro forma capital                                                                    
structure for Phase 1 ($millions) and said he would have the                                                                    
chief  financial officer  answer  any  questions about  financial                                                               
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
A graph  of the public finance  model surplus after Phase  1 debt                                                               
service  shows an  estimated $8.3  billion in  net transportation                                                               
revenue earned by the crossing over the life of the project.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:43:06 AM                                                                                                                   
A line  graph of  new highway funding  sources needed  for Alaska                                                               
from September  FY06 through September  FY10 illustrates  that it                                                               
will  be more  and more  difficult for  Alaska to  obtain federal                                                               
funding.  He   opined  that  this  project   provides  a  funding                                                               
alternative into the future.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER  highlighted the key  differences between  private and                                                               
public model assumptions:                                                                                                       
   · They present different risks and costs for financing,                                                                      
      construction and operations to KABATA and the state                                                                       
   · Key assumptions differ between private and public models,                                                                  
      most notably:                                                                                                             
        · The combination of debt and equity in the private                                                                     
           scenario.                                                                                                            
        · The public approach is largely debt financed.                                                                         
        · Debt costs and coverage ratios are lower for the                                                                      
           public approach.                                                                                                     
        · The public approach has higher construction and                                                                       
           operating costs.                                                                                                     
        · Risk is allocated differently.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Phase II financing scope includes the following:                                                                                
   · Four lane facility from Burma Road to the Ingram/Gambell                                                                   
     Connector is completed.                                                                                                    
   · New viaduct over Ship Creek.                                                                                               
   · Pedestrian and bicycle path is completed.                                                                                  
   · The total cost estimate in 2010 dollars is $375 million,                                                                   
     which will come from revenue earned by the crossing.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The Knik Arm Crossing project  timeline and tasks to construction                                                               
is as follows:                                                                                                                  
   · Preconstruction          2009, 2010, and 2011.                                                                             
   · Construction             2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015.                                                                       
   · Operation                2016, 2017, 2018 and on.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER informed the committee that KABATA currently has the final                                                           
EIS and has submitted a biological assessment. The key remaining                                                                
tasks to begin construction in 2012 included the following:                                                                     
   · Receiving a no jeopardy determination on critical habitat                                                                  
        so that the biological opinion can be issued. This is                                                                   
      estimated to be forthcoming in 2010.                                                                                      
   · Record of decision in late fall or early winter 2010.                                                                      
   · Finalize project delivery method in 2010.                                                                                  
   · Right-of-way procurement and final design in 2011.                                                                         
   · Finalize financial plan that the state wants to pursue in                                                                  
      2011.                                                                                                                     
        · P3.                                                                                                                   
        · Public.                                                                                                               
        · Some combination thereof.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
As currently estimated, construction will begin in late 2012 and the                                                            
bridge will be operational by 2016.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:47:57 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  FOSTER  said  the  Knik  Arm Bridge  is  important  for  the                                                               
following reasons:                                                                                                              
    · It will connect Alaska's infrastructure.                                                                                  
    · It will provide jobs and support economic growth in the                                                                   
      state.                                                                                                                    
    · It will provide an alternative corridor for safety.                                                                       
    · It will fund future transportation statewide.                                                                             
    · It will reduce greenhouse gas.                                                                                            
    · It will be good for Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOSTER thanked  the committee  and closed  with a  slideshow                                                               
illustrating what the  bridge will look like  when it's complete.                                                               
He  offered  to provide  a  copy  to any  interested  legislators                                                               
listening online.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOOKESH noted that Senator  Thomas had joined the committee                                                               
via  teleconference  and  Representative  Gruenberg  and  Senator                                                               
Meyer were in the room.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THOMAS  asked if this and  any new information is  on the                                                               
website.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER confirmed  that the information presented  today is on                                                               
the website.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked  if any modeling had  been done as                                                               
to the  potential effect of an  earthquake on the bridge  and the                                                               
tunnel under Government Hill.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOSTER deferred  to  Andrew Niemiec  who  is overseeing  the                                                               
design portion of the project.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW  NIEMIEC,  Executive  Director,  KABATA,  said  a  lot  of                                                               
preliminary engineering  work has been  done and the  bridge will                                                               
be designed to  meet current standards for  earthquakes. He added                                                               
that they've  done a lot  of geotechnical and design  studies but                                                               
they're  preliminary to  get through  the environmental  process.                                                               
Final design hasn't occurred.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gruenberg  asked if  more studies are  planned and                                                               
when they might be complete.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NIEMIEC said there will be  additional studies as soon as the                                                               
record of decision on the environmental process is in hand.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:56:37 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR MEYER  stated support for  the project and  observed that                                                               
it has  the potential  to save  Alaskans a  lot of  money. Noting                                                               
that the beluga whale is a big  issue right now, he asked if that                                                               
sort of study  and monitoring was figured into the  finances.  He                                                               
also asked if rails will be a later addition.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOSTER  said  he's  quite  sure  that  once  the  bridge  is                                                               
completed that there  will be studies related to  silting and the                                                               
foundation,  but he  doesn't  envision  doing additional  studies                                                               
unless there  is work  done on the  structure. Responding  to the                                                               
second question,  he said rail  isn't included in the  project at                                                               
this  time.  The  EIS  references  that  the  structure  is  rail                                                               
compatible so  the alignment could  be used, but upgrades  to the                                                               
foundation and structure would likely be necessary.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:59:48 AM                                                                                                                   
GOVERNOR  BILL SHEFFIELD,  Director,  Port  of Anchorage,  stated                                                               
that he's been  a bridge supporter since 1953 when  he arrived in                                                               
Alaska.  He  informed  the  committee  that  KABATA  will  go  to                                                               
Mississippi in September  to do computer modeling  of the bridge.                                                               
This  is important  because  how  you align  the  bridge makes  a                                                               
difference in what happens below, he said.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SHEFFIELD mentioned  the current  cost  estimate and  opined                                                               
that  it will  cost  more. He  can't say  why,  that's just  what                                                               
happens on every project.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Last year  was the first  year that  the Port of  Anchorage dealt                                                               
with the beluga  whale listing and he estimates that  it will add                                                               
$10 to $15 million per year or  $200 million over the life of the                                                               
[port expansion]  project. The  project shuts  down for  half the                                                               
work day  because of  low tide  and observers  cost $4000  a day.                                                               
More money  goes to  the excellent marine  mammal program  at the                                                               
Alaska Pacific  University. These students  sit on the  Air Force                                                               
land and observe the movement of the entire whale population.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  opined that  it  would  be a  mistake  to  design the  bridge                                                               
without a  rail line.  Having rail on  the bridge  would complete                                                               
the  transportation system  and  the cost  of  operation for  the                                                               
railroad  would be  less. Port  engineers  are currently  working                                                               
with the bridge engineers to use  as little port land as possible                                                               
for the  project. He's come to  believe that if the  bridge could                                                               
go behind Elmendorf Air Force Base  and come out at Boniface that                                                               
would be  the way to  go. That  route removes the  bottleneck. He                                                               
suggested KABATA work with Elmendorf  Air Force Base and not take                                                               
no as  an answer. The  location of the antennae  system shouldn't                                                               
stand  in the  way  and  everyone should  lend  support for  this                                                               
route.  Ultimately  it will  be  cheaper  for KABATA  than  going                                                               
behind the port.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
GOVERNOR  SHEFFIELD said  this project  is all  about vision  and                                                               
transportation in the state. Without  it you can't move and enjoy                                                               
yourself.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:13:05 PM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR MENARD  asked if  she could  characterize his  remarks as                                                               
fully supportive of the Knik Arm Bridge and Toll Authority.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GOVERNOR SHEFFIELD answered yes.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD said  she understands that a lot  of pounding will                                                               
take  place when  the rail  is  put in  and this  will upset  the                                                               
environment  and the  whale migration.  She asked  if that's  his                                                               
understanding.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GOVERNOR SHEFFIELD  agreed that  the whale  issue is  about noise                                                               
and the  pitch of the  noise. It's  not about ships  moving; it's                                                               
about vibrant hammers  working on sheet metal in  the water. Some                                                               
studies show this  does no damage, but there's  been no decision.                                                               
Whales do  present problems, but  protecting them is the  law and                                                               
we have to deal with it, he said.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD said  she appreciates his insight  on the railroad                                                               
and  she assumes  that his  remarks reflect  the Alaska  Railroad                                                               
Corporation (ARRC)  board sentiments  with respect to  rail going                                                               
to Port MacKenzie.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
GOVERNOR SHEFFIELD replied they'd all love  to see a rail line on                                                               
the  bridge.  He  noted  that  the Port  of  Anchorage  is  being                                                               
designed to withstand  greater than a 1964  earthquake. It's just                                                               
a  case of  more engineering,  money, concrete,  and steel.  "I'm                                                               
sure the bridge will do the same thing," he said.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  asked him to speak  to the landing for  the ferry                                                               
Susitna.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:18:38 PM                                                                                                                   
GOVERNOR SHEFFIELD  said he spent more  than 5 years of  his life                                                               
worrying about  putting the ferry landing  at the port at  a cost                                                               
of about $135,000, but they were  never able to make it work with                                                               
the other ships coming in and out of the port.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
AVES  THOMSON, Executive  Director,  Alaska Trucking  Association                                                               
(ATA), said ATA  is a statewide organization  that represents 200                                                               
member companies.  Many members  are headquartered in  or operate                                                               
major  freight  terminals  in the  Municipality  Anchorage.  Many                                                               
access the  Port of Anchorage  on a  daily basis. He  stated that                                                               
the ATA has supported the  Knik Arm crossing since its inception.                                                               
This alternate  route is important  to enable  increasing volumes                                                               
of freight  to move from the  Port of Anchorage. This  project is                                                               
an essential  element in  expanding freight  moving capabilities.                                                               
It's an important investment in Alaska's future, he concluded.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:24:34 PM                                                                                                                   
LISA  MARQUEZ,  President,  Alaska Trucking  Association,  stated                                                               
agreement with  Mr. Thompson's  comments. She  said she's  done a                                                               
lot  of emergency  response  and  in the  event  of emergency  an                                                               
additional corridor  could be vital.  She mentioned  the measures                                                               
she's  taken  to mitigate  environmental  concerns  and said  her                                                               
company is all  about the future and growth. The  bridge is about                                                               
growth and opportunity and she's eager to see it happen.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD suggested she post her comments on Facebook.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARQUEZ agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE LOWERY, Secretary/Treasurer,  Alaska Trucking Association,                                                               
stated support  for the  Knik Arm crossing.  He related  that his                                                               
company brings two ocean vessels  into the Port of Anchorage each                                                               
week  and  the  bridge  will   improve  his  ability  to  service                                                               
communities  and  the state  safely  and  efficiently. Also,  the                                                               
bridge  will provide  a  transportation  alternative going  north                                                               
which  is   important  to  any   business.  Finally,   he's  very                                                               
supportive  of the  economic development  that this  project will                                                               
bring the state.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  asked Mr.  Hemenway to  tell the  committee about                                                               
the award he received on behalf of KABATA.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:31:19 PM                                                                                                                   
KEVIN HEMENWAY,  Chief Financial Officer, KABATA,  said the award                                                               
is   the   Government   Finance   Officers   Association   (GFOA)                                                               
certificate   for  excellence   and   financial  reporting.   The                                                               
association  is a  nationwide organization  that  is involved  in                                                               
establishing accounting  standards for government  entities. Each                                                               
year KABATA  has applied  for and received  this award,  which is                                                               
about transparency  in financial  reporting. We're proud  of this                                                               
and all the work we do, he concluded.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
FRANK    RICHARDS,    Deputy    Commissioner,    Department    of                                                               
Transportation  and   Public  Facilities  (DOTPF),  said   he  is                                                               
available to answer  questions. He disclosed that he  is a member                                                               
of the KABATA board.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked what  the plans  are for  the new                                                               
ferry Susitna.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  said he's  not the best  person to  respond because                                                               
it's  not  a DOTPF  asset;  that  project  and vessel  are  being                                                               
promoted by the Mat-Su Borough.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:35:13 PM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  MENARD   asked  if  the   estimated  cost   savings  are                                                               
believable.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS replied  any large  project comes  with controversy                                                               
and  substantial  process,  which  takes  time  and  considerable                                                               
money,  and  that's what  you're  seeing.  When DOTPF  has  these                                                               
projects,  it is  never accomplished  on the  aggressive timeline                                                               
that's  desired.  As  to  whether  the  cost-saving  analysis  is                                                               
correct,  he said  that  the consultants  gave  their best  guess                                                               
based on their  analysis at a point in  time. Economic conditions                                                               
ebb  and flow  and hopefully  we'll  see the  growth that's  been                                                               
projected, but  in any  event the experts  gave their  best guess                                                               
and I'll take it at that, he concluded.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:38:51 PM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR MENARD  asked how many  bridges DOTPF is  responsible for                                                               
in the state.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS replied  the state has about  850 on-system bridges.                                                               
DOTPF does  a biannual  inspection on  these bridges  and they're                                                               
eligible for federal funds.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOOKESH  opined that this  project won't go  forward unless                                                               
the  state and  federal government  are part  of the  process. He                                                               
asked if  DOTPF or the  State of Alaska  is doing anything  to be                                                               
part of the process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS related  that  the Knik  Arm  Bridge qualifies  for                                                               
federal  funds because  it's part  of the  Anchorage Metropolitan                                                               
Area Transportation  Solutions (AMATS) and  in turn it's  part of                                                               
the statewide transportation improvement  plan that flows through                                                               
DOTPF. The  department is part  of the  KABATA board and  as such                                                               
consults  with  the executive  director  and  staff. Other  teams                                                               
within DOTPF  that look at  projects and  how they relate  to the                                                               
bridge are also in consultation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOOKESH  said he's pleased to  hear that the state  is part                                                               
of the process.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD  opined  that  as  the  population  increases  in                                                               
Southcentral  people   are  going   to  demand  this   bridge  in                                                               
particular,  and once  it's built  they'll wonder  why it  wasn't                                                               
built sooner. She added that as  a new KABATA board member she is                                                               
"on fire about this bridge."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOOKESH  recapped that the  purpose of this meeting  was to                                                               
continue  to  establish the  record  for  the bridge.  Today  the                                                               
committee heard  invited testimony  and from experts  with KABATA                                                               
and  the  state.  Perhaps  a  future  meeting  could  provide  an                                                               
opportunity for public input, he said.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG  expressed   appreciation  for   being                                                               
invited to participate.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:43:59 PM                                                                                                                   
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair  Kookesh  adjourned   the  Senate  Transportation  Standing                                                               
Committee hearing at 12:43 p.m.                                                                                                 

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